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There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Congress
From: "robert thompson" <robert0931@comcast.net>
2. Re: Congress
From: PAULKARREN@aol.com
3. Re: Congress
From: "Robert Nettles" <subvet11@comcast.net>
4. Re: Congress
From: "Robert Nettles" <subvet11@comcast.net>
5. Re: Buzz Hefti suggestion
From: "Jean D. Beard" <dale98@tampabay.rr.com>
6. Re: Congress
From: Vike2001@aol.com
7. Re: Re: Buzz Hefti suggestion
From: Vike2001@aol.com
8. Fw: Suggested Letter to Congress by David Estrovitz
From: "Jean D. Beard" <dale98@tampabay.rr.com>
9. Waco Bilboard Postcards (Hr602)
From: James Ret <alamostation@yahoo.com>
10. Re: Waco Bilboard Postcards (Hr602)
From: Vike2001@aol.com
11. post cards
From: "ken kelly" <bonapart@gulftel.com>
12. Re: Congress
From: Jack Hollinsworth <jackhollinsworth@yahoo.com>
13. Re: Congress
From: "robert thompson" <robert0931@comcast.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:58:08 -0600
From: "robert thompson" <robert0931@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Congress
I would not advise anyone to vote along a Party Line unless they can vote for a Veterans Party Candidate however, I will consider voting for the Person who bests shows their concerns of this Nation, our Constitution, and the removal of all Politicians who are selling us out for greed. Returning the Government to the People must be our Primary Goal.
Change your Party Affiliation to Veterans Party, or if not yet Certified in your State, to Independent, and show the Parties that have sold us out that you mean it when you say REFORM or RETIRE from Government Service.
Bob Thompson
Panama City, Florida
www.veteranspartyofamerica.com/
If the Veterans Party isn't running any candidates in this next election cycle I recommend we give the DemocRats a two year shot at running the House.
They can't damage our plight any worse, in two years, than the Republicans have, and I really blame party hacks, speakers Frist and Hastert, for not having the fortitude to call the bluff of co-sponsors from both parties.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:13:39 EST
From: PAULKARREN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Congress
In a message dated 3/25/2006 2:18:06 AM Atlantic Standard Time,
hkaribian@yahoo.com writes:
If the Veterans Party isn't running any candidates in this next election cycle I recommend we give the DemocRats a two year shot at running the House. They can't damage our plight any worse, in two years, than the Republicans have, and I really blame party hacks, speakers Frist and Hastert, for not having the fortitude to call the bluff of co-sponsors from both parties
While I agree that the Repubs has been and still a disappointment. to say the least on our issues, let me add disgusting, before we get in a knee jerking contest, we need to take a hard look at the possible ramifications of such an action.
Will HR602 and S407 have a better change of passage under the Dems. If so why haven't we heard demands for the bills to be brought to the floors by the dems for an up or down vote. We all know that any bill can be brought to the
floor of either chamber, if the ones advocating it is vocal enough.
Here are some of the repercussion if Dems take over:
John Conyers who is obsessed with impeaching the president will be in charge of the Judiciary committee. No time for anything else.
The ways and means committee will be run by a pro Castro worshiper who
states that to lower taxes is "Racism"
Antimilitary and aid and comfort givers to the enemy such as:
Dick Durbin D Ill, who compared our troops to, Pol Pot, Hilter and Russian
Gulag keepers.
Sen. John Kerry who accused our troops of terrorizing women and children in
the middle of the night in IRAQ. In other words the American is the real
terrorist.
Howard Dean Head of DMC, "a war we cannot win"
John Murtha, cut and run, because our troops are worn out and cannot
effectively fight the terrorist. Nancy Pelosi agrees with Murtha.
This is just a sample of those in that party who want to give up as they did
in Korea, Vietnam, Iran and now Iraq.
Its true, neither party has shown that they are serious about our issues and
the Repub. appear to be more remiss and indeed have a shallow backbone on
many issues. However, they have not advocated the surrender approach that the Dems are doing.
So the question we should ask ourselves, Which of the parties can be trusted
with the security of this Nation? The choice is clear and we cannot not
afford to leave it to chance. The stakes are to high!
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:22:35 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Robert Nettles" <subvet11@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Congress
I do not know it will improve our situation any, but I am going to have a tough time voting for a republican again for a long time.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:33:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Robert Nettles" <subvet11@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Congress
The only problem with staying the course is that if the seats in the House
and Congress change hands and things do not change, we can still change the
seats again in two years to try and correct any injustices that may have
occurred after this year.
I do not think that we have much of a choice. Lets face it, no one party is
really any better than the other and an Independent doesn't have a chance
with out the support of Congress and the House. The Republicans have had
the rains for the last 6 years and look at us now. Can we say we are any
better than we were 6 years ago, I think not.
In ether case we can not let down our letter righting and faxes to the House and Congress to try and get these people to remember their promises. It might not do any real good, but I am not ready to quit now by any means.
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:59:35 -0500
From: "Jean D. Beard" <dale98@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Buzz Hefti suggestion
Jack, Teddy and Sharon,
Sure hope you all will relay this through AM TampBay 970 AM on Monday.
Thanks,
Jean
Re: Just imagine thousands of fans salutiing at NFL, MBA, and Major League Baseball games when the National Anthem is plalyed. It will telegraph a message to all others of how many have served this country in the Armed Forces---it will be a positive and patroitic message.
Wow what a sight that would be, sounds great to me.
"If It Weren't For The United States Military"
"There Would Be NO United States of America"
Jean
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Cook
To: Brig Gen R. Clements USAF ret ; Jim Whittington ; Jean D. Beard
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: Fw: Buzz Hefti suggestion
Any Comments ? Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: JanePoe@aol.com
Cc: HVBRAY3@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:39 AM
Subject: Buzz Hefti suggestion
Following is a letter which Ret'd Army MG Vern Lewis, asked to pass on. I think he has a great idea, and if you agree, hope you will pass it on to your retired mil contacts.
I gathered some 16 of my old military friends who agreed to sponsor a movement for Veterans to salute rather than place their hands over their heart when honoring the flag, fallen comrades, and/or the country. I have some from each of the four principal services. Three of them were former Vice Chiefs or Assistant Commandants of their services, and several were former CINC's.
We refer to saluting when we do the pledge to the flag, when the National Colors pass or are presented, when the National Anthem or honors are played, or when taps are played and firing squads or guns render honors.
We got MOAA magazine to ask veterans what they preferred, hand over the heart or saluting. When last I looked, some 583 veteran respondents had voted 81% in favor of the salute. In addition, my email address was in the questionairre and I've had about 150 responses, with all but a dozen or so in favor of the salute. Obviously an overwhelming majority of the veterans want to salute.
There are no regulations telling us veterans what we can and can't do in this matter. If we decide we want to salute, who will dare to tell us "no"?
It is a matter of personal choice. We've earned the right to render a salute. Now the challange is to get the word out. I believe the unit and branch associations are the best way. The commanders of the American Legion and VFW never answered my emails, presuming they even got them. If we can get this started it will take on a life of its own. Those who object can continue the hand over the heart thing. Gradually the custom will change, as well it should.
Just imagine thousands of fans salutiing at NFL, MBA, and Major League Baseball games when the National Anthem is plalyed. It will telegraph a message to all others of how many have served this country in the Armed Forces---it will be a positive and patroitic message.
You can help by putting the word out in your organizations, which are made up of patriots like you and me. Thanks, my friend.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:06:19 EST
From: Vike2001@aol.com
Subject: Re: Congress
In a message dated 3/24/06 11:17:45 PM Mountain Standard Time,
hkaribian@yahoo.com writes:
If the Veterans Party isn't running any candidates in this next election
cycle I recommend we give the DemocRats a two year shot at running the House.
YUK !!!!! http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZZ
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:13:19 EST
From: Vike2001@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Buzz Hefti suggestion
In a message dated 3/25/06 12:00:14 PM Mountain Standard Time,
dale98@tampabay.rr.com writes:
I gathered some 16 of my old military friends who agreed to sponsor a
movement for Veterans to salute rather than place their hands over their heart when honoring the flag, fallen comrades, and/or the country.
It sounds good to me, BUT, before we went that route, I'd like to suggest
that these veterans (and active military) LEARN HOW TO PROPERLY SALUTE !!!!!!
Some of the salutes I've seen are an embarrassment to D.I.s, the armed
services, the flag, our country, and the one doing the saluting... The wrists
look something like a letter "C"... It's especially nauseous to see the
"salutes" being rendered by the "actors" on the telly and in the movies... I
remember when they used to have "military advisers" who made sure that things were "authentic"... Today's saluting is PATHETIC...
One man's opinion...
Morrie B.
C.S. CO
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:53:57 -0500
From: "Jean D. Beard" <dale98@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Fw: Suggested Letter to Congress by David Estrovitz
----- Original Message -----
From: Harry Riley
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:19 PM
Subject: Suggested Letter to Congress by David Estrovitz
Below is a letter David Estrovitz is sending to his Congressional delegation.......he invites us all to use it, modify to fit your own thoughts.....but, please take some sort of action. For your information, members of the Ways and Means committee follow David's suggested letter...you can click on any name to get contact information...without some committee action there is little hope for HR 602......
Harry Riley, COL, USA, Ret
Dear Representative,
If you have not added your name to the list of co-sponsors of HR-602 the "Keep Our Promise To America's Military Retirees Act", now is the time for action...if you have, thank you for support.
This Bill is bottled in four House Committees - Armed Services, Government Reform, Ways and Means, and Energy and Commerce - please encourage your colleagues on these committees, especially Ways and Means Committee to take action.
The co-sponsor list now contains 241 names, more than enough support by a majority of the U.S House, but the Bill has yet to be brought to the floor for a vote. As the time draws near for final adjournment of this 109th Congress, it appears as though HR-602 will suffer the same fate as HR-3474, also with majority support, when it failed to make it to the floor during the preceding 108th Congress.
For better than a decade now we have been appealing for our Government to honor the commitment it made to those who served their country. Now is the time for you and all those who co-sponsored HR-602 to "Fish or Cut Bait". Either you muster the courage to pressure the House leadership for the action required for a floor vote, or you can remain silent and allow HR-602 to die along with all previous attempts to rectify what is essentially a breach of contract on the part of our Government.
It has been written that Henry Kissinger once said, "Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used in foreign policy". While not an accurate or honorable description of our warriors, he at least had the courage to express his true feelings.
What say you Mr. and Ms. Representative?
David Estrovitz destro23@infowest.com MSGT. USMC(RET) WWII, KOREA & VIETNAM
Members of the 109th Congress
Bill Thomas, CA Chairman
E. Clay Shaw Jr. , FL
Nancy L. Johnson, CT
Wally Herger, CA
Jim McCrery, LA
Dave Camp, MI
Jim Ramstad, MN
Jim Nussle, IA
Sam Johnson, TX
Phil English, PA
J.D. Hayworth, AZ
Jerry Weller, IL
Kenny C. Hulshof, MO
Ron Lewis, KY
Mark Foley, FL
Kevin Brady, TX
Thomas M. Reynolds, NY
Paul Ryan, WI
Eric Cantor, VA
John Linder, GA
Bob Beauprez, CO
Melissa A. Hart, PA
Chris Chocola, IN
Devin Nunes, CA
Charles B. Rangel, NY
Fortney Pete Stark, CA
Sander M. Levin, MI
Benjamin L. Cardin, MD
Jim McDermott, WA
John Lewis, GA
Richard E. Neal, MA
Michael R. McNulty, NY
William J. Jefferson, LA
John S. Tanner, TN
Xavier Becerra, CA
Lloyd Doggett, TX
Earl Pomeroy, ND
Stephanie Tubbs Jones, OH
Mike Thompson, CA
John B. Larson, CT
Rahm Emanuel, IL
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:43:24 -0800 (PST)
From: James Ret <alamostation@yahoo.com>
Subject: Waco Bilboard Postcards (Hr602)
Dug out some of my Waco Billboard post cards and sent to Hastert and Boehner as leaders of the House to get the Bill up for a vote. Also sent copies to the only Rep Congressman in S Texas, Henry Bonilla and to Dem minority leader Pelosi.
Nice things about postcards is that many of those handling them will also read them and they will make it through without getting virus screening before delivery.
Jim Ret
VVB-TX//MRGRG-TX
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:52:19 EST
From: Vike2001@aol.com
Subject: Re: Waco Bilboard Postcards (Hr602)
In a message dated 3/25/06 5:43:48 PM Mountain Standard Time,
alamostation@yahoo.com writes:
Dug out some of my Waco Billboard post cards and sent to Hastert and Boehner as leaders of the House to get the Bill up for a vote.
What do they look like ?????
Morrie B.
C.S. CO
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 08:31:24 -0600
From: "ken kelly" <bonapart@gulftel.com>
Subject: post cards
we need to reproduce some of the enlistment posters on post cards , perhaps some congress men have forgotten ,or never knew what they promised .
ret A.S .A.F , E6
Ken Kelly
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:49:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Hollinsworth <jackhollinsworth@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Congress
I agree, if things don't change, then change seats again, and again, until they get it right. Jack H
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The only problem with staying the course is that if the seats in the House and Congress change hands and things do not change, we can still change the seats again in two years to try and correct any injustices that may have occurred after this year.
I do not think that we have much of a choice. Lets face it, no one party is really any better than the other and an Independent doesn't have a chance with out the support of Congress and the House. The Republicans have had the rains for the last 6 years and look at us now. Can we say we are any better than we were 6 years ago, I think not.
In ether case we can not let down our letter righting and faxes to the House and Congress to try and get these people to remember their promises. It might not do any real good, but I am not ready to quit now by any means.
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:19:18 -0600
From: "robert thompson" <robert0931@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Congress
There is only one way to prevent what has happened to the failure of our Government to Represent the People and that is for the People to stop permitting them to do so. There is a plan, one that will bring back the Checks and Balances our Constitution calls for, and that plan is to create a third major political Party of the People, for the People, and by the People. Log on to www.veteranspartyofamerica.com and learn about it. Talking about ways to ask Congress to do their jobs is one thing, but how many years have we been doing it with no success?
Bob Thompson
Panama City, Florida
I agree, if things don't change, then change seats again, and again, until they get it right. Jack H
Robert Nettles <subvet11@comcast.net> wrote:
The only problem with staying the course is that if the seats in the House and Congress change hands and things do not change, we can still change the seats again in two years to try and correct any injustices that may have occurred after this year.
I do not think that we have much of a choice. Lets face it, no one party is really any better than the other and an Independent doesn't have a chance with out the support of Congress and the House. The Republicans have had the rains for the last 6 years and look at us now. Can we say we are any better than we were 6 years ago, I think not.
In ether case we can not let down our letter righting and faxes to the House and Congress to try and get these people to remember their promises. It might not do any real good, but I am not ready to quit now by any means.
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