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Subject: [mrgrg-ms-talk] Digest Number 1119
Date: Mar 29, 2006 2:46 AM
There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Fw: Civilian life vs Military life
From: "Jean D. Beard" <dale98@tampabay.rr.com>
2. Whose Country is this.
From: PAULKARREN@aol.com
3. Congress and Military Health Care Legislation
From: James Ret <alamostation@yahoo.com>
4. Immediate Action Necessary on VA Budget
From: James Ret <alamostation@yahoo.com>
5. Re: Congress and Military Health Care Legislation
From: PAULKARREN@aol.com
6. FCC Exemptions Concerning Political Postings
From: James Ret <alamostation@yahoo.com>
7. Re: Whose Country is this.
From: Rmvwc@aol.com
8. Fw: Letter to Congressman Hastert
From: "Jean D. Beard" <dale98@tampabay.rr.com>
9. Re: Whose Country is this.
From: PAULKARREN@aol.com
10. Re: Whose Country is this.
From: "robert thompson" <robert0931@comcast.net>
11. Re: Whose Country is this.
From: Vike2001@aol.com
12. Letter to Congressman Hastert - follow up
From: Floyd Sears <fsears@bellsouth.net>
13. Immigrants
From: <hkaribian@yahoo.com>
14. HR602
From: <hkaribian@yahoo.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:01:19 -0500
From: "Jean D. Beard" <dale98@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Fw: Civilian life vs Military life

----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Civilian life vs Military life


You got to love the service members who fight to have the right
to kick ass on civilians who have not got a clue

God Bless Them

Civilian life vs Military life

Your alarm goes off, you hit the snooze and sleep for another 10 minutes.
He stays up for days on end.
__________________________
You take a warm shower to help you wake up.
He goes days or weeks without running water.
__________________________
You complain of a "headache", and call in sick.
He gets shot at, as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.
__________________________
You put on your anti war/don't support the troops shirt, and go meet up
with your friends.
He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.
__________________________
You make sure you're cell phone is in your pocket.
He clutches the cross hanging on his chain next to his dog tags.
__________________________
You talk trash on your "buddies" that aren't with you.
He knows he may not see some of his buddies again.
__________________________
You don't feel like helping out your dad today, so you don't.
He does what he is told.
__________________________
You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.
He walks the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.
__________________________
You complain about how hot it is.
He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his
brow.
__________________________
You go out to lunch, and complain because the restaurant got your order
wrong.
He does not get to eat today.
__________________________
Your maid makes your bed and washes your clothes.
He wears the same things for months, but makes sure his weapons are clean.
__________________________
You go to the mall and get your hair redone.
He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.
__________________________
You are angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.
He is told he will be held an extra 2 months.
He does as he is told.
__________________________
You call your girlfriend and set a date for that night.
He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.
__________________________
You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.
He holds his letter close and smells his Love's perfume.
__________________________
You ditch class to go to a movie.
He goes where he is told.
__________________________
You roll your eyes as a baby cries.
He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if they'll
ever meet.
__________________________
You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.
He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own government and
remembers why he is fighting.
__________________________
You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of the men like him.
He hears the gun fire and bombs.
__________________________
You see only what the media wants you to see.
He sees the bodies lying around him.
__________________________
You are asked to go to the store by your parents. You don't.
He does what he is told.
__________________________
You stay at home and watch TV.
He takes whatever time he is given to call and write home, sleep, and eat.
__________________________
You crawl into your bed, with down pillows, and try to get comfortable.
He crawls under a tank for shade and a 5 minute nap, only to be woken by
gun fire.
__________________________
You sit there and judge him, saying the world is a worse place because of
men like him.
If only there were more men like him

OUR HUSBANDS/WIVES, SONS/DAUGHTERS, COUSINS, FRIENDS ARE OUT THERE FIGHTING AND RISKING THEIR LIVES FOR US!! PLEASE SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:35:03 EST
From: PAULKARREN@aol.com
Subject: Whose Country is this.

Read and heed

Whose country is this?
By Cal Thomas
Mar 28, 2006

Observing the pro-immigration demonstrations in Phoenix, Los Angeles, Atlanta and elsewhere in recent days, I wondered: whose country is this? Why are many illegal aliens who broke our laws to get here and who continue to break our laws to stay here, demanding that the United States not only allow them to remain, but support them with the taxes of law-abiding citizens? Have we gone mad?

"Thousands Rally For Immigrants' Rights" read a headline about the Phoenix march. What rights? If they are here illegally, they have the right to leave. They have no rights under our Constitution, anymore than I might expect the rights of a Mexican citizen should I choose to live illegally in Mexico. Marchers in Los Angeles carried Mexican flags, which should tell us about their primary allegiance.

There were work stoppages and school walkouts. Every person who left school or job should be required to prove they are in America legally. If they cannot, or will not, they should be deemed illegals and deported.

Immigration is developing into a major political issue. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, New York Democrat, made a bid for the votes of illegals and their enablers last week. Clinton promised to fight a bill passed by the House in December and debated this week in the Senate. It would subject illegals, and those who knowingly employ them, to criminal penalties. Invoking biblical
justification for her opposition to the House measure, Clinton said it "is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures, because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably Jesus himself." Democrats have been trying to make inroads on religious language and religious symbolism from the near-monopoly held by Republicans.

But, like Democratic National Committee Chair Howard Dean, who once spoke of the Old Testament book of Job as his favorite New Testament book, Sen. Clinton misfired. In the parable told by Jesus, robbers set upon a man, beat him, and left him "halfdead." A priest and a Levite passed by, refusing to help the victim. A Samaritan, despised by the Jews, stopped to help the man and also paid an innkeeperfrom his own pocket to care for him (Luke 10:30-37).

Notice that Jesus didn't call on a government program for help. As for how this relates to illegal immigration, Jesus never counseled breaking laws. Here is the real problem with illegal immigration. Many Americans believe we are losing our unique national identity. Census Bureau figures indicate the Washington, D.C., regional population will become "majority minority" in less than a decade. The biggest influx between 2000 and 2004 was among Hispanics, a considerable number believed to be here illegally.

The same demographic profile is reflected, or will soon be reflected, in many other major metropolitan areas and, in the case of California, an entire state. It isn't race or ethnicity that bothers most legal residents of this country. It is our failure to make non-hyphenated Americans out of them. Instead of becoming English-speaking Americans, too many are retaining the language, customs, culture and political agendas of their native lands. No nation can long survive such an invasion without assimilation.

Forty-two states are currently considering bills related to immigration policy, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Nineteen of these states would restrict public benefits for illegals. Congress should act to create some uniformity.

A "guest worker" provision for those already here might work, but there should be restrictions on how long they can stay and a requirement that they return home before applying for legal admittance. Accompanied by much tighter control of our borders, such an approach would be in America's best interests.

And could we please put this country's best interests first for a change?

Under no circumstance should there be amnesty for illegals, by whatever name politicians wish to call it. New illegal immigrants should not be allowed in until those already here are either fully and legally assimilated, or sent home when their work permits expire.

Too many politicians appear ready to sell the security of their country for the votes of illegals and their supporters. They must not be allowed to do so. Illegal immigration, along with national security, which are related, should be the top issues in the 2006 and especially 2008 elections.

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:39:31 -0800 (PST)
From: James Ret <alamostation@yahoo.com>
Subject: Congress and Military Health Care Legislation

It looks as if Congress won't be able to fit into their very busy schedule any legisltation
pertaining to military retiree/veterans health care. Note the following editorial
from the San Antonio Express news:

Online at: http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/editorials/stories/MYSA032706.01O.congress1ed.56c2dc4.html

(snip)
Web Posted: 03/27/2006 12:00 AM CST San Antonio Express-News Mark Twain is often credited with the observation that no one's life, liberty or property is safe while Congress is in session. If so, then the American people should feel quite a bit safer in 2006 than in any year in recent memory. Norman Ornstein, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, calculates that Congress is scheduled to spend all of 97 days in session this year. And that, Ornstein wrote in an op-ed in the Washington Post, is counting generously.

The number of calendar days for the second session of the 109th Congress is the smallest in 60 years ? fewer than the 80th Congress, which, in 1948, Harry Truman famously derided as the "do-nothing" Congress.

So far in 2006, the House has been in session 19 days, the Senate 33 days. The House was in recess all of January, had six calendar days in February and has been enjoying a week off for St. Patrick's Day. House leaders have also scheduled two weeks off in April, a week in May and July and the entire month of August. (snip)

(snip) It's no coincidence, then, that polls show the public holds Congress in such low esteem right now.

In a recent NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll, congressional Republicans earned a positive rating from 34 percent of respondents and a negative rating from 43 percent. Democrats garnered 32 percent positive, 37 percent negative (end snip)

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:56:46 -0800 (PST)
From: James Ret <alamostation@yahoo.com>
Subject: Immediate Action Necessary on VA Budget

"Lisa Bogle, Disabled American Veterans" <lbogle@davmail.org> wrote:

IMMEDIATE ACTION NECESSARY Take Action!
March 28, 2006

Now that Congress is back from recess, the markup proposed for earlier this month has been rescheduled. The House Committee on the Budget is preparing to decide, on Wednesday, March 29, 2006, the level of funding it is recommending to the full House of Representatives, to fund the activities of the Department of Veterans Affairs for the new fiscal year that begins on October 1. This decision is crucial for sick and disabled veterans who rely on VA health care to meet their needs.

The Independent Budget produced by DAV, VFW, AMVETS and PVA, recommended VA medical care be increased to $32.4 billion, almost $1 billion more that was requested by President Bush for this account next year. The two Veterans Affairs Committees have also recommended the budget for veteran?s benefits and services be increased above the President's proposed level.

We need everyone to contact your elected Members of Congress to urge their support of the level of funding requested in the Independent Budget, a budget by veterans, for veterans. If the Independent Budget were adopted as the Congressional budget for veterans, we believe VA would receive enough funding to be able to meet your health care needs next year. If Congress enacts a lower budget, we fear repetition of the VA funding problems that came to light last summer to produce another public embarrassment of the President and Congress.

Please call or email your elected Congressional Representative today to tell that Representative that you demand the House Budget Committee adopt the Independent Budget for Veterans Benefits and Services, so-called "Function 700" in the coming Committee meeting on Wednesday, March 29.

The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation. -- George Washington

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:01:06 EST
From: PAULKARREN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Congress and Military Health Care Legislation


In a message dated 3/28/2006 12:41:22 PM Atlantic Standard Time,
alamostation@yahoo.com writes:

It looks as if Congress won't be able to fit into their very busy schedule any legisltation pertaining to military retiree/veterans health care. Note the following editorial from the San Antonio Express news:

Their busy schedule consist of giving amnesty to criminals who are invading our country and yes, free health care, food stamps, housing et to these criminals. This is costing the Americans billions of dollars. Yet, those MRs who earned free healthcare are not only denied their earned benefits, but cannot even get an up and down vote out of these same congressmen.

Yesterday, the Senate Judiciary Committee spent the whole day screwing the American people with Amnesty for these criminals. With over 240 cosponsors of HR 602, they will not take up the measure. I for one do not want to hear out of their hypocritical mouths, how they support MRS and other veterans. They now have a new saying and that is "Illegal Aliens are the backbone of this country."

Plain ordinary everyday Bullshit!

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:22:26 -0800 (PST)
From: James Ret <alamostation@yahoo.com>
Subject: FCC Exemptions Concerning Political Postings

FEC Rules Exempt Blogs From Internet Political Limits
By Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writer

Tuesday, March 28, 2006; Page A03

In a unanimous vote yesterday, the Federal Election Commission left unregulated almost all political activity on the Internet except for paid political advertisements. Campaigns buying such ads will have to use money raised under the limits of current federal campaign law.

Perhaps most important, the commission effectively granted media exemptions to bloggers and other activists using the Web to allow them to praise and criticize politicians, just as newspapers can, without fear of federal interference.(snip)

Full article can be found at: http://letters.washingtonpost.com/W2RH0305FD6416914FD7F328FEE660 

The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation. -- George Washington
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Message: 7 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:11:11 EST
From: Rmvwc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Whose Country is this.

I don't know who this guy is but where did he get the idea that illegals can vote? The rest of it I pretty well agree with.

Bill Buss GySgt, USMC(Ret)
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Message: 8 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:14:29 -0500 From: "Jean D. Beard" <dale98@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Fw: Letter to Congressman Hastert

Another great letter from Floyd Sears. Thank you Floyd.

Jean

----- Original Message ----- From: Floyd Sears Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:56 PM Subject: Letter to Congressman Hastert

I just sent this message to Congressman Hastert using the http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt  web page. Please distribute it as you see fit. I agree that we need to keep the pressure on the Congress at this time as much as we can.

Floyd


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Dear Congressman Hastert:

The Keep Our Promises to America's Military Retirees Act (HR 602), one of the most important bills ever to be introduced in the Congress, is laying dead (according to THOMAS) in the Subcommittee on Health "for a period to be subsequently determined by the Chairman".

Let's be honest with each other... that period to be subsequently determined by the Chairman is the length of time it will take to let the bill die for this session of the Congress. Refer the bill to a subcommittee and let it die. This is a tactic that has been used to keep this bill off of the floor of the House since the bill was initially introduced on 28 September 1999.

For the last 10+ years the military retiree community has worked within the law and within the system trying to educate the House and Senate concerning the merits of the Keep Our Promises to America's Military Retirees Act. We have lobbied the Congress via telephone calls, e-mails, regular mail, FAXes, web forms, personal meetings with Representatives and Senators, billboards, web pages, and a lawsuit. HR 602 has a sponsor and 240 cosponsors, more than one half of the House.

It is difficult for me to believe that you, the Congress, and its staff members, do not understand the military retiree medical care broken promise issue addressed by HR 602. However, just in case you and your staff have not been briefed I now ask you to look at and listen to a series of narrated web pages on the Internet starting at http://mrgrg-ms.org/swindle00.html.

In this briefing you will find a reference to the 18 November 2002 conclusion of the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit which reads in part...

Quote #1: "We cannot readily imagine more sympathetic plaintiffs than the retired officers of the World War II and Korean War era involved in this case. They served their country for at least 20 years with the understanding that when they retired they and their dependents would receive full free health care for life. The promise of such health care was made in good faith and relied upon."

and

Quote #2. "However, if they are to get any relief, it must come from Congress, as this is not within [a court's] jurisdiction."

I invite you to read the court's complete decision and conclusion to put the above quotes in perspective.

I also invite you to note that in the process of finding against "WILLIAM O. SCHISM and ROBERT L. REINLIE" the court admits that the free medical care promise was in fact made to military retirees. You need to read and reread the above quotes. You need to note that the court has passed the buck to the Congress, and we are now waiting for a response from the Congress. We have been waiting since 18 November 2002. Will America's military retirees go to their graves waiting for a response from the Congress.

Congressman Hastert, many members of the military retiree community agree with me when I say that the "military retiree medical care broken promise issue is the greatest swindle of all time and is a broken contract with America's military retirees".

In conclusion, I now ask you to do the all American right thing. Take those action that are necessary to get the Keep Our Promises to America's Military Retirees Act
(HR 602) out of Committee and bring it to the floor of the House for discussion and an up or down vote. The military retiree community and the American people need to know the position of each Congressperson in reference to keeping promises made to America's military retirees, those warriors that fought to make this great country a free nation.

--
Floyd Sears, MSGT, USAF, retired
6733 Riviera Drive Biloxi, MS 39532-9348
E-mail - fsears@bellsouth.net Home page - http://mrgrg-ms.org/ 

I am a retired American military fighting man. I served in the Armed Forces which guarded our country and our way of life. I was prepared to give my life in my country's defense. I will never forget that I was an American military fighting man, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made our country free. I will continue to trust in my God and in the United States of America, and I will continue the fight to regain the medical care that was promised to the American Military Retirees before their retirement for as long as I live.
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Message: 9 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:53:03 EST
From: PAULKARREN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Whose Country is this.

In a message dated 3/28/2006 2:20:11 PM Atlantic Standard Time, Rmvwc@aol.com writes:

I don't know who this guy is but where did he get the idea that illegals can vote? The rest of it I pretty well agree with.

Bill Buss GySgt, USMC(Ret)

They cannot vote legally, just like they are not to suppose to be in this country, but they do and at our expense they are illegally here. Tens of thousands of them voted in the last election.

Also in the 2000 election. The drive in register was implemented in many states which resulted in corruption because most states did not even require a drivers license or any other ID. The then republican Gov. Engler from MI, refused to allow it here. Thousand from Haiti voted in Fla. Many in Fla. who are citizens (Not Good Ones) voted multiple time in several states.
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Message: 10 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:56:02 -0600
From: "robert thompson" <robert0931@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Whose Country is this.

For one answer, log on to http://veteranspartyofamerica.com/ (link fixed by web-master J.R. Santos, 03-29-06) and help us get this Nation back under control and return it to the People. Please don't knock it until you read about it.

Bob Thompson Panama City, Florida

From: PAULKARREN@aol.com
Read and heed Whose country is this?
By Cal Thomas

Mar 28, 2006


Observing the pro-immigration demonstrations in Phoenix, Los Angeles, Atlanta and elsewhere in recent days, I wondered: whose country is this? Why are many illegal aliens who broke our laws to get here and who continue to break our laws to stay here, demanding that the United States not only allow them to remain, but support them with the taxes of law-abiding citizens? Have we gone mad?

"Thousands Rally For Immigrants' Rights" read a headline about the Phoenix march. What rights? If they are here illegally, they have the right to leave. They have no rights under our Constitution, anymore than I might expect the rights of a Mexican citizen should I choose to live illegally in Mexico. Marchers in Los Angeles carried Mexican flags, which should tell us about their primary allegiance.

There were work stoppages and school walkouts. Every person who left school or job should be required to prove they are in America legally. If they cannot, or will not, they should be deemed illegals and deported.

Immigration is developing into a major political issue. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, New York Democrat, made a bid for the votes of illegals and their enablers last week. Clinton promised to fight a bill passed by the House in December and debated this week in the Senate. It would subject illegals, and those who knowingly employ them, to criminal penalties. Invoking biblical justification for her opposition to the House measure, Clinton said it "is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures, because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably Jesus himself."

Democrats have been trying to make inroads on religious language and religious symbolism from the near-monopoly held by Republicans. But, like Democratic National Committee Chair Howard Dean, who once spoke of the Old Testament book of Job as his favorite New Testament book, Sen. Clinton misfired. In the parable told by Jesus, robbers set upon a man, beat him, and left him "half dead." A priest and a Levite passed by, refusing to help the victim. A Samaritan, despised by the Jews, stopped to help the man and also paid an innkeeper from his own pocket to care for him (Luke 10:30-37).

Notice that Jesus didn't call on a government program for help. As for how this relates to illegal immigration, Jesus never counseled breaking laws.

Here is the real problem with illegal immigration. Many Americans believe we are losing our unique national identity. Census Bureau figures indicate the Washington, D.C., regional population will become "majority minority" in less than a decade. The biggest influx between 2000 and 2004 was among Hispanics, a considerable number believed to be here illegally.

The same demographic profile is reflected, or will soon be reflected, in many other major metropolitan areas and, in the case of California, an entire state. It isn't race or ethnicity that bothers most legal residents of this country. It is our failure to make non-hyphenated Americans out of them. Instead of becoming English-speaking Americans, too many are retaining the language, customs, culture and political agendas of their native lands. No nation can long survive such an invasion without assimilation.

Forty-two states are currently considering bills related to immigration policy, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Nineteen of these states would restrict public benefits for illegals. Congress should act to create some uniformity.

A "guest worker" provision for those already here might work, but there should be restrictions on how long they can stay and a requirement that they return home before applying for legal admittance. Accompanied by much tighter control of our borders, such an approach would be in America's best interests. And could we please put this country's best interests first for a change?

Under no circumstance should there be amnesty for illegals, by whatever name politicians wish to call it. New illegal immigrants should not be allowed in until those already here are either fully and legally assimilated, or sent home when their work permits expire.

Too many politicians appear ready to sell the security of their country for the votes of illegals and their supporters. They must not be allowed to do so. Illegal immigration, along with national security, which are related, should be the top issues in the 2006 and especially 2008 elections.

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Message: 11 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:10:20 EST
 From: Vike2001@aol.com Subject: Re: Whose Country is this.

In a message dated 3/28/06 2:08:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, robert0931@comcast.net writes:

veteranspartyofamerica.com/

I STILL get nothing but the following response:

PAGE UNAVAILABLE

This URL you typed is unavailable at this time.

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Message: 12 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:42:05 -0600
From: Floyd Sears <fsears@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Letter to Congressman Hastert - follow up

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Message: 13 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:45:59 -0600
From: <hkaribian@yahoo.com>
Subject: Immigrants

Let the senate pass the McCain/Feingold bill. I will ignore it until they start enforcing all the laws that are already on the books. Like the immigrations laws, for a starter.

Back in 1980 I wanted to sponsor an Englishman, who worked for me overseas. There was a three year waiting list, for this man who had a trade, and I had to guarantee he would not go on the public dole for five years.
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Message: 14 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:25:39 -0600
From: <hkaribian@yahoo.com>
Subject: HR602

If HR 602 does not come up for a vote this year I am willing to bet you will not be speaker of the House, or even in congress, at your next election cyle. What was that minority leaders name last year!!!!!!!!!
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