The Stocked Pistol
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WARRIOR TALK NEWS  -  JANUARY 2009
The Official Newsletter of ONE SOURCE, WARRIORTALK and SUAREZ INTERNATIONAL      

 

THE STOCKED PISTOL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the dim past, when the first functional self-loading pistols became available, it was examined as what we would today call a PDW (personal defense weapon). Unlike the infantry rifle, or other long gun, this was meant to defend the user and extend the capabilities of the one-handed pistol.
 
The first stocked self-loading pistol was the Borchardt, a clumsy but functional for the day, pistol. It incorportaed a flat detachable stock. Eventually Mauser and Luger expanded on the idea as well as Mr. Browning and Mr. Webley. In fact, it was a common accessory for military pistols of the pre-WW2 era...and subsequent designs such as the HK VP-70 and others that followed.
 
Because of our ever protective government's infringements, having a stocked pistol requires some footwork in terms of licenses and such, but it really only costs an additional $200 for those who still live in free states. Not a big deal really.  So the question is...why?
 
Recently, I was exposed to the concept of the pistol caliber carbine. Our good friend and staff instructor Karl Johnson relates how he favors such a weapon in certain environments where a full assault rifle, or a shotgun might not be desired. As well, I have discussed his with some acquaintances who favor an SBR semi auto UZI for home defense, and as a compact PDW. I know another man who owns a Skorpian VZ61 pistol that has been SBRd and has a stock. But none of these aforementioned weapons have full auto capability so in reality, the rate of fire of a semi auto Uzi is no different than that of a Glock.
 
The first big question I suppose is this. It is not a rifle, and only has the ballistic capability of a pistol, so why add a stock to a pistol? In my studies I have found that a stock does two things.
 
1). It allows a much steadier hold on the weapon than you can get from any "standard" pistol position. Steadier hold means greater long range accuracy as well as more precise short range accuracy. A pistol is no more difficult to "fire" than a rifle, but it is easier to hit with a rifle due to its four points of contact, versus only two for the pistol.  

It will help you steady yourself in less time than a stockless pistol would take you so you can make the longer shots. There is no question that one can make long shots with a regular CCW gun. Hell....we had 1/3 of the last Terrorist interdiction class out to 200 yards in Houston!!! The issue is will a stock help you do it more often, more consistently, and faster. My answer is that it will.
 
2). It allows greater recoil/muzzle flip control and thus allows for a much quicker follow up shot, or shots. It will help you recover from recoil faster thus putting more damage on the bad guy in a shorter period of time. And for those who would lecture me on recoil control, please do not. I think I have shown how fast one can shoot a CCW stock Glock in the ACRG DVD. Trust me, an additional contact point will help you do it better.
 
These two things cannot be denied by anyone who tries the concept.
 
3). Does a pistol caliber aid you over a rifle caliber? In certain locations, the answer is yes. We can debate it all you want, but unless you have touched off a Suchka or a Colt Commando inside a house, take my word for it...at five to fifteen feet, the Suchka or the pistol will all work just fine. One will have ruinous effects on your short term hearing, one will not.
 
One will also draw all manner of attention to you while the other one will not. Vorobiev told me everyone hated the Krinkov in Afghanistan and ditched it first chance because it was so loud.
 
4). Will a pistol sized rifle do the same things the stocked pistol will do? No it won't. Next.
 
5). Why not just go with a SBR AR or an SBR AK instead? You could. But the concept we are looking at can fit in a much smaller package and thus will not likely be left behind. Why was the MP5 PDW not the same exact size as the full sized MP5...or HK 53? Because the bigger weapons would likely be left behind in the environments where the much smaller PDW would not.
 
You can probably put a Glock 34 and its stock in a typical sized laptop bag and take it everywhere with you...in addition to your CCW pistol which should be in the same caliber and use the same magazines.
 
6). And finally....guys...we need to get away from the CCW surprise gunfight for this weapon concept. it is not for that. It is for a generally proactive offensive application. Granted...it is not the best offensive weapon, but like the pocket pistol, it may the only one possible in many venues.
 
The next big question is where would this be an asset? I personally use a pistol for home defense. The reason is simple. There are too many people inside to reach for either a shotgun or an assault rifle. Additionally, I may have the need to move from room to room securing non-combatants, and that cannot be done with a long gun. Of course, the XO is backing me up with her Kalashnikov, but still, the maneuverability of the short gun cannot be beaten in this realm. 
 
Many years ago when I would creep around bad people's houses looking for bad guys, the MP5 and Colt Commando would often be left and I would opt for a pistol alone in order to be more maneuverable. In this environment, a stocked pistol would be the best of both worlds.
 
Moreover, in an NPE, or an SRE (socially restricted environment), a stocked pistol can be disassembled of the stock, and the stock can remain with you while you holster the pistol itself. Or an entire stocked pistol with several magazines can fit into a lap top bag. A good candidate for this would be a Glock 34. One can obtain a detachable stock for this, as well as 33 round magazines, making this a very compact and versatile PDW. Add an Insights Light mount, and there is very little that cannot be done with this werapon inside its ballistic limits.
 
Applications?  Think of those times, whatever they may be, when you would love to have a rifle, but going to get it would not be possible.  True the Stocked Pistol PDW is not a rifle, but I will bet it would have come in very handy in Mumbai.
 
Gabe Suarez
 
One Source Tactical
Suarez International USA
Christian Warrior Ministries
 
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.